Rene

    Scientific study?

    Friday, January 11, 2008, 03:07 AM CET [General]

     

    WHAT IS SCIENTIFIC? 

    We have all been there. Commenting a "scientific study" and being happy that "The study" finally found the way to your desktop..."FINALLY something to promote".

    Then the ROCK hits you rigth in the face when your findings are commented by psychologists and psychiatrists/doctors or maybe even your colleague hypnotists as beeing "Non scientific" study.

    This happened to me the other day (AGAIN) when I in a closed forum in Denmark, commented that an article in Ezinearticles.com
    http://ezinearticles.com/?Does-Hypnosis-Work?-A-Comparison-Study&id=286866

    This article was from Dr. Dorothy M Neddermeyer PhD, and she used a study from American Health Magazine saying that;


    Quote:
    "Here Are Some Research Facts
    A survey of psychotherapy literature by Alfred A. Barrios, Ph.D., revealed the following recovery rates:

    Psychoanalysis: 38% recovery after 600 sessions
    Behavior Therapy: 72% recovery after 22 sessions
    Hypnotherapy: 93% Recovery after 6 sessions

    Source: American Health Magazine"
    /Quote

    Needlesss this comment released a flow of nice comments from my good friends and colleague hypnotists but it wasnt all roses...One had a comment to the "survey";

    Heres what he wrote to me; (Translated by me!)

    ______________________________________________________________________

    TRANSLTED FROM Danish by me (Rene Frederiksen);

    [quote]
    I have a collegue AHP: Association for Humanistic Psychology, he told 
    that Dr. Dorothy M Niedermayer's article and study isnt "Science 
    based" and not tested on an unvilling follow group, so if you want to 
    use it, he recomends to NOT refeer to it as beeing a 
    Scientific approwed or science.
    [/quote]
    _______________________________________________________________________

    WOW
    But he is somewhat right...Or is he?
    I really cant say. Its true that we have to be VERY carefull when commenting "Scientific studies" but then again...We really should be open to studies like these.
    When "comparing" to cases, involving humanes and hypnosis we simply cant call it a "scientific study" due to differences in the two cases...Or can we?

    If I look back at my clients cases, I can see case after case where "Doctores" had have there change to help them. During YEARS of treadment, but in a lot of cases they didnt do it for the clients.
    But after even a FEW hypnosis sessions (2-3 sessions) they left there problems in the past and recovered just fine.
    Now THAT is the result or "Scientific studies" we are looking for,
    The EVERY day stories...That are SO masive that the public CANT disregard them!

    The CLIENTS know who they feel, and act after they have encountered hypnosis and what that did for THERE lifes. There feedback is our "Scientific studies" and wetter its "tested on an unvilling follow group" or not, really doesnt matter....Its the results that matter!

    Hypnosis makes your clients achieve results!

    So remember to do follow up work with your clients...Let them mail you with there comments..Get there permission to use there comments etc.
    THAT is our study!

    Pls. leave a comment and you idea to how to build trust in the public with "studies etc).

    Best Regards
    CH (NGH)
    Rene Frederiksen
    www.Hypnoseforalle.dk
    Denmark

    4.5 (3 Ratings)

    Hi Rene:

    The answer is simple. While your acquaintance may have a Assoc. of Humanistic Psychology, he obviously knows little about Hypnotism, because one of the very first things we learn is that if you are "unwilling" to be hypnotized, there is little likelihood that you would be able to be hypnotized. So his proof requirement for it to be "scientific" is totally unrealistic.

    Sometimes I wonder if there is any "scientific" proof that "psychology" can be proven, either! This guy (and many in the "psychological" degree'd club) is a very strong case in point for that question. :)

    Cheers!

    Sheila
    January 11, 2008
    03:22 AM CET

    Rene, thanks for the reminder of Dr. Barrios' study. His background at UCLA should add a lot of credibility to his work.

    But... here is the single biggest step that can help increase public (and academic) trust and credibility:

    Stop using "Dr." and "Ph.D." credential when it is a "Doctorate in Metaphysics" from a notorious unaccredited Hawaiian diploma mill that was closed by court order because of consumer fraud.

    Until then, this field will not get (and will not really deserve) respect. It's too easy to accuse licensed professionals of being close-minded... let's be real, with all fake "Ph.D."s and "doctors" in this field, they have a point!

    It is a real shame that good work done by people like Dr. Barrios can be tainted by being associated with such silliness.

    stever
    January 11, 2008
    04:43 AM CET

    The safest and most truly accurate way to promote "research results" or "case studies", etc is to say just that. When quoting any statistics, they can all be put under attack. When I hear hypnotists state that "over 90% of people stop smoking with hypnosis" I cringe and shudder. I want to see the "study" and all the variables before accepting such "research."

    What were the variables? How many people, how were they chosen, how long were they followed after sessions, were they heavy life-long smokers or infrequent smokers? The list goes on.

    So... if you are using the results from a report from Mayo Clinic, say "A test study at Mayo Clinic showed that...". I think you get my point.

    This is important because even though many professionals in other areas of personal improvement (and all areas of work) are out there quoting statistics and research, we still are put under a microscope they aren't as hypnotists.

    Just my 2 cents...
    Tom

    Tom Nicoli
    January 11, 2008
    04:52 AM CET

    Hello there.
    THANKS for the comments.
    Its all so rigth...We do really need to take good care and promote us in a good manner when using stuff like this.

    PhD. :
    People want to be more then they are.
    Well...Im a lot of things... ;-) And I really dont need a PhD. degree to realize, that hypnoterapy helps people.

    Sadly enough, some people thinks that people think more of them if they have a PhD.
    (Well...I respect the "man" not the title!)

    Thanks again for your comments.
    Br
    Rene Frederiksen
    www.hypnoseforalle.dk
    Denmark

    Rene
    January 11, 2008
    02:39 PM CET

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